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November 08, 2002

One of the few business articles I ever read that made sense was Theodore Levitt's classic "Marketing Myopia." His primary point was that a business shouldn't think in terms of what it does, but in terms of what customers value about what it does. This can produce a subtle but profound shift in perspective. With that in mind, I realize that most of you come here not because it is me saying these things (well, except maybe for you, Mama, and you, Aunt Debbie), but because you dig the "look at how these little things in life tell us about ourselves and the idiots around us" perspective.

With that understanding in mind, it occurs to me that I needn't be the one who writes everything here. So, I've decided to make my very good friend Steve Castro-Miller the first-ever Guest Writer on Sand in the Gears.


No Problem?
By Steve Castro-Miller


I'm tired of being served by people, mostly in the food industry, whose response to my polite "thank you" for serving me is, "No problem." Now what exactly is that supposed to mean? Its No Problem serving me? Its No Problem that I said thank you? Its No Problem that I'm spending my hard earned money to keep you employed? Its No Problem to be bothered by me? What's No Problem?

Just the other day I was in Home Depot. I approach the checkout stand with my purchases. The clerk is wearing his long drug dealer leather jacket over his orange smock, talking on the phone the whole time he is ringing up my purchases. Never does he say "Sorry to be on the phone" nor any recognition that what he is doing is rude. We speak nary a word until I say "Thank you." He lifts his chin over the phone and says, "No problem." No Problem that I didn't interrupt his phone conversation, I guess. What if I didn't say thank you? Would the response be "That's a Problem"? How about just saying, "You're welcome."

Oh, I realize I may get inundated with comments like "its just slang" or "why do you care?", but the point is, my politeness is responded to with superior words of condescension that I am not presenting a problem to the server (when what I'm really presenting is an opportunity for increased and repeat business).

I've decided to stop going to stores and restaurants where that is the response I get. If I can come up with a good question to follow a "No Problem" response, I'll pose it to the server on the spot.

Any suggestions?

A long-time reader of Sand in the Gears, Steve is an excellent business leader, father, and friend who lives in Kansas.

Posted by Woodlief on November 08, 2002 at 08:48 AM


Comments

Wait... you got a sales clerk on the phone to ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR PRESENCE?

I want to shop where you shop...

Posted by: Alice at November 8, 2002 10:50 AM

I once wrote to you about my experience with minimalist service at Sears. With that in mind, I sometimes think that a guy saying "no problem" is now the standard for service, especially in a big retail-chain store.

I agree that there is condescension in much of this human interaction. I work in the heart of downtown Cleveland, and thus use the same restaurants, parking garages, etc. as lawyers and bankers, and the grovelling careerists who work for these. So many of these people try to portray themselves as superbusy Type-A worldbeaters, exempt from the rules and niceties of civil behavior. Personally, I think that someone who needs to conduct business on a cellphone while eating in a restaurant or walking on the sidewalk does not know how to manage his time. I may be annoyed by the guy at Home Depot, but I despise these phonies in pinstripe suits (and their female equivalents).

Posted by: jim at November 8, 2002 10:57 AM

By the way, have you taken down your Chris Webber posters yet? Seriously, we need more of this disciplinary action, not only by the NCAA, but also by the NBA, NFL, etc. What has been going on in college and professional sports for the past 30-35 years is sickening.

Here in Cleveland, two former Cleveland State basketball heroes (with full-tuition scholarships) were sentenced to four years in prison for robbing Indians' pitcher C. C. Sabathia at gunpoint. Undoubtedly, if they had become NBA stars, neither would be spending a day in the can. Instead, they'd be free to drive their solid-gold Mercedes' and to date Winona Ryder.

Posted by: jim at November 8, 2002 11:13 AM

Hey Sweetie,
I was down south for a week and really missed you. On the day I returned home your post was
Youngster update. Thank you! What a treat for me.
It was exactly what I wanted to see.
This comment is really to just say hello and that I like your friend. I enjoyed his post also.
Love you all,
Debbie

Posted by: Aunt Debbie at November 8, 2002 2:36 PM

Wow! You mean you actually got a store clerk that knew enough English to be able to say "no problem"!?!?! That's awesome!!!!

Posted by: Steve at November 8, 2002 10:21 PM

Don't get me going again...

Is this really the most important thing on your minds here (imperial you)? The level of service around you? Making clerks be polite?

The only reason I ask is I can't really remember when was the last time that bothered me so much. To be honest, it seems to me perhaps there may be some self esteem issues here. So a cashier doesn't say "you're welcome" or doesn't smile or give you your receipt. Big deal.

Posted by: Jack at November 8, 2002 10:29 PM

Jack, break's over. Put your leather jacket back over your Homer smock and work register 6.

Posted by: Ric at November 8, 2002 10:33 PM

What's interesing to me is how I can be equally affected by the overzealous and chatty clerks who wait on me within the $ervice industry. Often it depends on my frame of mind as to how I perceive that I am being treated during the exchange of goods and services. If my level of expectation were consistant, then I would not hesitate to make the case as you have stated it. However, it is not, and the desire to impose correction in the form of a personally targeted follow up question speaks more loudly of disgruntled customer than the taming of a disaffected, rude clerk...Hang in there Steve, one day we shall all be perfected in ways unimaginable. Some will like it some won't !

Posted by: Rob at November 8, 2002 11:06 PM


I think I heard this on Andy Rooney's segment last weekend. BTW, how did you get two last names?

Posted by: Anon at November 8, 2002 11:32 PM

"If my level of expectation were consistant, then I would not hesitate to make the case as you have stated it."

Now I'm onto you. You're all morons here.

Posted by: Jack at November 9, 2002 12:58 AM

Aaaaargh, I catch myself saying the dreaded NP sometimes. It's shorthand for saying "you're welcome, and it was no problem for me to help you", but it's lazy English. I'm a perpetrator, but I still concur with you!

Posted by: Gardenwife at November 9, 2002 1:12 AM

P.S. Something that's become a family joke and catch-phrase is my mother-in-law's unintentional spoonerism, "pro noblum!". Perhaps that would be better for me to utter in error when a simple "thank you" eludes me.

I really enjoy your blog, by the way. I found it by way of Fayth's page.

Posted by: Gardenwife at November 9, 2002 1:14 AM

The great Renaissance scholar, Erasmus of Rotterdam, in Die Civilitate, written close to five hundred years ago to teach manners to that most savage of creatures, the teenaged boy, put it this way: "It is part of the highest civility if, while never erring yourself, you ignore the errors of others."

The bottom line: the only way to help rebuild a civilized society is to consistently act civilized ourselves. As emotionally satisfying as a snappy come-back? Maybe not at the moment, but in the long term, yes.

Keep up the great blogging, Tony. You have at least one fan in France.

Posted by: Michael McFisker at November 9, 2002 2:30 AM

Then again, a few headlines along the lines of "Rude store clerk dragged outside and beaten by irate customer" might snap a few of the idiots awake. Oh hang on, that's making the assumption that they can read...

And while we're at it, the pillory was a effective means of controlling public behaviour in the 15th and 16th centuries.

Posted by: Michael at November 9, 2002 6:59 AM

Interesting. I tend to say, "no problem!" in a way that means, "I was happy to do it!" or "It was my pleasure to help!" I guess I could say those things instead. At any rate, you probably shouldn't go where they speak Spanish - "You're welcome" in Spanish is "de nada", nada meaning "nothing" and translating somewhat literally as "It was nothing" or - in US colloqialism - "No problem". "You're welcome" is more polite, I agree. But I don't see "no problem" as condescending in and of itself. Tone would matter there.

As for a snappy comeback, I guess I'd try, "But I meant to be a problem! I'll just have to come back again and be more annoying. Have a great day!"

Not very snappy, but then :) I'm A Ray Of Sunshine (tm) myself.

Posted by: susanna at November 9, 2002 10:40 AM

First of all, I don't read your blog just because you write it. I read it because you write it well. I have been guilty of saying np myself. And then I feel guilty. Thanks to this post, I don't think I will ever say it again. Really. Promise. Keep up the good work. Also, thank Steve for me.

Posted by: Llana at November 10, 2002 1:59 PM

I've tried and failed to stop using this phrase. Considering some of the more pungent expressions that have become part of the vulgar tongue, this one is probably not among the most offensive.


Besides, if one were to say "Oh, it was really no trouble at all" instead of "You're welcome," would that be considered rude? "No problem" is really a shortened version of that.

Posted by: Mitch at November 10, 2002 5:01 PM

Talk about being oversensitive! So what would you do if he answered with "mmm hmm"? Or "you bet"? Maybe slap him?

"You're Welcome" is my grandfather's way of saying "no problem". "No problem" is how the majority of Americans under the age of 45 reply to "Thank you" in this century.

Posted by: Mark at November 11, 2002 4:22 PM

When I was in high school and bagging groceries in Rochester, Minnesota, I usually responded "You bet" when people thanked me. That is a reflexive Minnesota locution, but it makes no literal sense. I try to say "you're welcome" now.

I don't think hearing "no problem" instead of "you're welcome" bothers me, but that talking on the phone during the transaction annoys the hell out of me. I think that's inexcusable.

Posted by: Dave Himrich at November 11, 2002 5:04 PM

Sometime during the past year or two waiters and waitresses began calling male and female customers alike "guys," as in "You guys just call me if you need anything," or "Is everything okay with you guys?"

I love it when they ask me "You wanna box for that?" Why? Because I can answer them with "No, but I'll arm wrestle you for it."

Regards,
Paul Woodford
Tucson AZ

Posted by: Paul Woodford at November 12, 2002 11:00 AM

try "de rien" which in French (although I am unsure of the spelling) means it was nothing but serves for Thank You among other things.

This way you say the same thing but seem classy because of the French . . .

Posted by: Kevin Holtsberry at November 13, 2002 2:18 PM

"de rien" is about the equivalent of saying "yup!" or "no prob" and is borderline slang. If you want to be nice say "je vous en prie".

Posted by: Jack at November 13, 2002 11:19 PM